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April 17edit w encyklopedii

What can I use as a category name for 'proeve van bekwaamheid' (Dutch)?edit

In Dutch 'proeve van bekwaamheid' (literally: a proof/demonstration of competence) is an exam work with which a student proofs that he/she has the skills and knowledge to practice a particular profession. In the time of the Guilds it was the masterpiece of the journeyman to become a self-employed master craftsmen, for instance a painter or carpenter. Later on it was the exam work for a diploma, like a complicated/advanced piece of needle work to become a teacher of needlework. What English term can I use? I found Aptitude test and Proficiency examination as a translation for the exam, but not for the work. Could I use Aptitude test works or Proficiency examination works? Or what else would be a good English term? Parent categories would be Category:Examinations and Category: Works. JopkeB (talk) 07:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

  • "Aptitude test" would be wrong, at least in U.S. English. That usually has more to do with entry into a curriculum than completion.
  • Historically it was "masterwork" or "masterpiece" but those terms have been inflated to where they mean something even more advanced.
  • So I don't have a specific suggestion. We do (in U.S. English) have a notion of a "project for a degree" done in lieu of a thesis, but that is very specific to an academic degree. - Jmabel ! talk 15:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
@Jmabel: Thanks for your information. I found some other possibilities: 'examination piece', 'proof of competence' and 'examination work'. Can I use one of those? Are they not only for papers but also for craft works AND are they for completion an education? JopkeB (talk) 05:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC) @JopkeB: As a native speaker of British English I like "examination piece". I don't recognise it as a phrase, but to me it obviously means what you're trying to convey. --bjh21 (talk) 21:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC) @Bjh21: Thanks a lot! This is the word I use, see Category:Examination pieces. JopkeB (talk) 09:09, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
  • I would call the whole process a capstone, and the piece a capstone project, but that may not be technical enough a term. Jessepinky (talk) 15:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
  • A Portfolio demonstrates skills and physical manifestations of such. BobBataviaIL (talk) 17:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

April 25edit w encyklopedii

Commons:Deletion requests/File:HuangFei 2018.jpgedit

抱歉,我英文不好,我被告知一定要來這裡討論。 我也很不習慣這裡的討論方式, 最後我被逼著一定要來這裡回。


就算錯也得有個開始。 我用中文回,哪裡有錯就再修改吧! 謝謝。



剛才發現這裡的編輯環境會把換行符號吃掉,所以我還得補上標點符號。 給 Kai3952,你覺得我都不理你? 你也不理我啊!你看,我回你信了,你有回我嗎?

當你自顧自的一直寄信來我信箱時,你有沒有想過我完全無法回應你?然後你自己就可以寫一兩個 pagedown,猜測一大堆。 在單向沒有溝通的狀況下,你可以一再寄信,而我心中滿滿的話全部找不到方法回應。 看著我也很急。

我覺得 wiki 首先應該把這個回信機制給做出來,不然我們很難有開始。 對於母語不是英文的人(雖然我是工程師,寫了二十年程式,但我習慣看的文件和這種型式不一樣;而且我承認因為我英文不好,所以看錯了很多文件,相當程度的影響了我閱讀文件的能力) 對於操作 wiki 不熟練的人,這都是門檻。

一開始我甚至不知道這個 edit 鍵按下去就可以參與討論,因為這不是 document,文件嗎? 我們對於 wiki 的文件就是尊重,一堆英文看到就是忽略,最大限度的不去影響已經運作的東西,只修改自己維護的頁面。

拖了十幾二十天,我終於按下 edit 鍵了,謝天謝地。 你們千萬別因為這篇不合格式什麼的就刪了,不然我可沒法子開始了! (這種討論真是見鬼了,所以我也可以任意修改別人的發言?雖然你們可以去查 log 知道誰做的並還原,但這不是很辛苦嗎? 這裡是不是只有理組,沒有文組的人?不知道怎麼越過溝通的最後一哩路嗎?) —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

2021/05/05 —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

^^^ The above was added belatedly to this section, at the top, by an un-signed-in IP. I don't read Chinese, and have no idea whether it is on-topic. Would someone please either translate it, or if it is off-topic delete it along with this remark? - Jmabel ! talk 02:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, my English is not good, I was told that I must come here to discuss.

I am also very unaccustomed to the way of discussion here, In the end I was forced to come here back.

I am here.

Even if it is wrong, there must be a beginning. I will reply in Chinese, and modify it if there is a mistake! Thank you.

My account is Piper Shepherd Boy, and my real name is Huang Ruichang.

Thank you.

I just found out that the editing environment here will eat newline characters, so I have to add punctuation marks. To Kai3952, do you think I ignore you? You ignore me! You see, I replied your letter, did you reply to me?

When you keep sending letters to my mailbox, have you ever thought that I can't respond to you at all? Then you can write one or two pagedowns yourself and guess a lot. When there is no one-way communication, you can send letters over and over again, but I can’t find a way to respond to all the words that are full of my heart. Looking at me is also very anxious.

I think the wiki should first make this reply mechanism, otherwise it will be difficult for us to get started. For people whose native language is not English (Although I am an engineer and have written programs for 20 years, the documents I am accustomed to reading are not the same as this type; and I admit that because my English is not good, I read a lot of documents wrong, to a considerable extent Affects my ability to read files) For those who are unskilled in operating a wiki, this is a threshold.

At first, I didn't even know that you could participate in the discussion by pressing the edit button, because this is not a document, is it a file? We respect the wiki files. When we see a bunch of English, we just ignore them. We don't affect what is already in operation to the greatest extent and only modify the pages we maintain.

After more than ten or twenty days, I finally pressed the edit button, thank goodness. Don’t delete this because it’s out of format, otherwise I won’t be able to start! (This kind of discussion is really hell, so I can also modify other people's speeches at will? Although you can check the log to know who did it and restore it, isn't it very hard? Are there only people in the rationale group and no literary group? Don't know how to cross the last mile of communication? )

2021/05/05translator: Google Translate via   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 05:15, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Please take a look at my previous edit and you'll see that I nominated this image for deletion. Because the source given is "Facebook," and the image author (黃瑞昌) stated in the Facebook site is not the same name as the uploader (吹笛牧童), which suggests it might not be the uploader's own work and therefore potentially a copyright violation. It's my regular way of checking whether pictures are copyvio or not.

The uploader refused to talk to me and instead lodged a complaint with Reke against me. Here you can see that they are discussing me on the PTT site. I believe the uploader does not understand our policy with regard to OTRS. But Reke doesn't think so. Instead, he believes that my Asperger's syndrome caused the problem. I feel like Reke was overdoing it a little bit rather than really focusing on discussing to the image itself. Any case should be focusing on how to make the user do his consideration of the issue in a less hostile fashion, not personal attack. So, I go to his talk page to discuss it with him.

From his reply (1, 2) I feel he understand the licensing and OTRS policies very well. Because he told me that, from his experience, in this case it is not necessary to request the permission, only you (Kai) would do it via OTRS, and that's why the problem is occurring. But what I see is that the author is 黃瑞昌 and not 吹笛牧童. The uploader does not provide evidence of permission, then how do we know if he got the rights on this image?

Look at [1]. The uploader is upset with what I did. I can see from his tone and attitude that he seems to be angry. Because the correspondence between himself and Reke indicates that my intention was fight somebody. I'm trying to keep myself out of controversy, but...Reke banned me for disruptive editingwith respect to the images without permissions, and strongly upheld policies what he said. Until now I still can't nominated any images for delete.

I would be greateful if one of you that know a bit more the licensing and OTRS policies than I could have look and see if what I do is correct.--Kai3952 (talk) 12:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

  • The claim there is that OTRS is in progress. Either we will get adequate permission and it will be kept, or we won't and it won't. Nothing worthy of discussing at VP. - Jmabel ! talk 15:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
    • Hmm…I'm not sure what you mean, can you explain what I did wrong?--Kai3952 (talk) 16:18, 25 April 2021 (UTC) @Kai3952: We got adequate permission two years ago, and it is filed in Ticket:2019080410000399. You were right to suspect a photo prima facie sourced to Facebook.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 17:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
    Now the problem is not that we got adequate permission two years ago, however, the uploader and Reke both indicated that there is a serious problem with my way of checking copyvio and use of {{Delete}} in pictures. If I am right why did Reke say on my talk page: "in this case it is not necessary to request the permission"? I am starting to feel confused about our policies. You see: 1 and 2, I did the same thing as yours, but the result I got is like the example you saw earlier (in which the uploader lodged a complaint with Reke against me). I don't know what I did wrong at all. Because Reke is a volunteer who doesn't just work for Wikimedia Taiwan, he do care for a needy user (except me). As you know now, I followed his suggestion, or I should say, I did buckle under his pressure. In my case if this is not resolved then I can not nominated any pictures for deletion. I's not the case when we think we are doing it right. You would think we did really great, but I am sure there are things we need to resolved.--Kai3952 (talk) 12:56, 26 April 2021 (UTC) @Kai3952: For the first of those links, your first step should have been the "No permission" link or {{subst:npd}}. The second link seems fine.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC) If so, then take a look at this. Jmabel told me that, "If the answer to both of those is "yes," then fine, no need to use OTRS. Otherwise, OTRS or delete." As far as I could judge from what I saw from the source of the image:, it might not be the uploader's own work and therefore potentially a copyright violation. But Reke doesn't think so. Instead, he believes that the normal average person can judge the image was uploaded by the author and does not need to be confirmed via the OTRS process. See: Reke's reply on my talk page. If your ability to discern the copyvio images is the same as mine, then I don't understand why he corrected me. I have been wondering if there is any way to prove that our policies are fully justify (for example, images previously published in Facebook need OTRS-permission)?--Kai3952 (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
      • I don't think you did anything wrong. Legitimate challenge, OTRS requested (uploader seems to have resented being asked to give confirmation to claim; that happens sometimes). Seems resolved. Cheers, -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 17:37, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
        • Seems resolved? Why? Did you not see that I also mentioned what Reke said?--Kai3952 (talk) 09:26, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
          • @Infrogmation:. Actually, to ask OTRS can't solve the question in this case. If we believe the Facebook User 黃瑞昌 is "User:吹笛牧童", we can believe it at the beginning. An OTRS permission can't prove that 黃瑞昌 (on FB) is User:吹笛牧童. If the photo is from a organize, we can check the domain name of the mail is belong the organize or not. But if the photo is from a person, OTRS means you don't believe his statement, and ask some information that still can't confirm anything. That's why some uploaders resented.--Reke (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
            • @Reke: Once the OTRS team establish communication, someone on the team can (for example) request a PM on Facebook verifying the identity of the Commons account. - Jmabel ! talk 14:35, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
              • Okay, but the other problem is e can't prove that the photo is belong the Facebook account right ? As the opinion from 吹笛牧童, he felt that is not a useful way but annoyed. I also heard some new volunteers thinking as him. Can we just ask OTRS for those photos which have stronger reason for us to doubt? --Reke (talk) 05:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
                • @Reke: Today I realized that you have too many misunderstandings about our policies, because you have had strong views about this from the beginning. You assumed that 吹笛牧童 was 黃瑞昌, and asked me to believe him, which is unreasonable. To some extent, you seem to encouraging us to "ignore" the licensing and OTRS policies. OTRS can not only obtain permission from the author, but also prove whether the facebook account user is the author or not. If you want to keep the photo, then you should convince the uploader to provide proof otherwise of owning copyright instead of resisting the policies. Unfortunately, you choose to believe your views and then you accusing me of doing something wrong. Up until now, I still haven't seen your apology nor your admission of your mistakes. Honestly, uploader's resentment comes from themselves. Because they can neither try to understand nor accept the OTRS policy. I am aware of 吹笛牧童's views on the issue, if he does not want to obtain permission via OTRS, the best way is to upload the original file directly to Commons.--Kai3952 (talk) 23:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
                  • I would say that all policies are for a better Wikimedia movement. A contributor need do more things just because he/she doesn't publish his/her own work on Commons first, that is so unfriendly to many photographers. They often share their work on social networking sites as soon as they finish shooting. If we only think on the basis of the Wikimedia, we will lose a lot of new users and good photos. Even if I know this regulation, I hope it can be amended; or at least be more flexible in its implementation. --Reke (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC) @Reke: Each of the photographers who "share their work on social networking sites as soon as they finish shooting" may post Commons:Licensing compliant permission for such work (or identify the name of their Commons account) on their website or social media presence (anywhere their work appears online before uploading here) and refer to such on each file description page or their user page, or they may send the photo(s) and such permission or account identification via OTRS.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 05:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
                    • Or post higher-res and full EXIF here, or indicate on their social media account that they have this particular Commons account, or deal with OTRS one time around to verify that the social media account in question is run by the same person as the Commons account … - Jmabel ! talk 15:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

April 30edit w encyklopedii

Call for Election Volunteersedit

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May 01edit w encyklopedii

Fair Use Photo of Comedian Emily Levineedit

Hi! I am attempting to upload or find an image of Emily Levine, however I have yet to figure it out. If anyone is able to help, I would be extremely grateful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlshoej (talk • contribs) 19:51, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

'Fair use' is not allowed on Commons, you will need to find a free one, or else get permission for a non free foto and have the rights owner send the permission to OTRS. --C.Suthorn (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Messed up templatesedit

I noticed that User:Ö/filemoves (meant to be transcluded in userpages as a “userbox”) is showing its images in their nominal size, not forced to 50px high as coded at it's souce (stable for nine years). What’s going on? -- Tuválkin 23:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

May 02edit w encyklopedii

Upload failedit


When I want to upload a video, the server crashes. I've this error :

Error Our servers are currently under maintenance or experiencing a technical problem. Please try again in a few minutes. See the error message at the bottom of this page for more information.

--ComputerHotline (talk) 05:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Invitation for Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2021edit

Hello there,

We are inviting you to participate in Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos 2021, a global contest scheduled to run from July through August 2021.

Participants will choose among Wikipedia pages without photo images, then add a suitable file from among the many thousands of photos in the Wikimedia Commons, especially those uploaded from thematic contests (Wiki Loves Africa, Wiki Loves Earth, Wiki Loves Folklore, etc.) over the years.

In its first year (2020), 36 Wikimedia communities in 27 countries joined the campaign. Events relating to the campaign included training organized by at least 18 Wikimedia communities in 14 countries.

The campaign resulted in the addition of media files (photos, audios and videos) to more than 90,000 Wikipedia articles in 272 languages.

Wikipedia Pages Wanting Photos (WPWP) offers an ideal task for recruiting and guiding new editors through the steps of adding content to existing pages. Besides individual participation, the WPWP campaign can be used by user groups and chapters to organize editing workshops and edit-a-thons.

The organizing team is looking for a contact person to coordinate WPWP participation at the Wikimedia user group or chapter level (geographically or thematically) or for a language WP. We’d be glad for you to reply to this message, or sign up directly at WPWP Participating Communities.

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Painting help needed: inconsistent info on two files for the same paintingedit

I came across the following files that appear to be for the same painting of Catherine of Alexandria in the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Lyon.

The Wikidata item indicates both Claude Guinet and "anonymous" as the creator.

How to resolve? If there's an art-specific help desk, I'd love to know about it. Please ping with any response, and thanks in advance for any help. --Auntof6 (talk) 11:40, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: attributions get changed all the time and people get mixed up. According to it's Claude Guinet and fr:Claude Guinet actually talks about this painting. On fr:Jean_Perréal it is mentioned that the painting was previously attributed to Jean Perréal. The inclusion in Category:Master of Santa Clara de Palencia looks like a categorization mistake by user:Rama. Multichill (talk) 12:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC) @Multichill: OK, thanks. I will make changes accordingly. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC) @Auntof6: Wikidata is not Wikipedia. On Wikidata we generally don't remove statements. We qualify and/or deprecated them. And the source clearly lists it as attribution so not sure why you removed that part. Multichill (talk) 12:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC) @Multichill: OK, I apologize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auntof6 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 2 May 2021‎ (UTC) @Auntof6: No need. It's a bit confusing especially with a Wikipedia background. We all made that mistake at least once. Fortunately it's a wiki so easy to fix. A lot more possible matches (probably easier) at User:Multichill/Same image without Wikidata/Wikidata creator, institution and inventory number match and d:Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Image suggestions/Creator, institution and inventory number match. Multichill (talk) 12:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Telecom street cabinetsedit


It's not obvious to find a category by country for an Optical fiber distribution cabinet or a copper distribution cabinet.

This one have the following categories:

There is also :

I'am looking for a structured categories like Fire hydrants by country.

What do you suggest ?
How to reorganise existing Telecom / Utility cabinets ?

--Pyrog (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)


File:Hursh.jpg and 8 more... --C.Suthorn (talk) 20:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@C.Suthorn: So keep adding to Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Hurshch and warning the user. Why report here?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 20:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC) I said months ago, I will no longer make DRs for hursh. It is not my thing, I take fotos and publish - thats it. (and I do rely on others who are into housekeeping things) --C.Suthorn (talk) 21:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Then maybe stay out of it? Coming here and asking someone else to do the work doesn't seem particularly appropriate or friendly. - Jmabel ! talk 21:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

May 03edit w encyklopedii

Sock puppetryedit

Hello, do we have any sock puppet like policy here on commons as well? A user on English Wikipedia help desk asked for some help in deleting their files from commons. I doubt that that user is perhaps a sock because the files they gave the links to have been uploaded by an other username who says that they are from England while the user at English Wikipedia help desk says that they are from Brazil. The doubt maybe wrong. But, see if this is any problem. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain:, per "Commons:Blocking policy" it reads: "Abusing multiple accounts to mislead, deceive, disrupt, distort consensus or to evade blocks or other sanctions. Secondary accounts are typically blocked indefinitely. The primary account may or may not be subject to new or extended blocks depending on the circumstances." Though for it to be considered sockpuppetry it should satisfy one of these, if the user simply uses another account and requests deletion without attempting to do the above then it is simply using multiple accounts rather than misusing them. It might be more likely they the user is lying and isn't the original uploader, also courtesy deletions must come from the original uploader and they must be able to verify it. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC) @Lightbluerain: Any idea why they are pursuing a prospective Commons deletion on en-wiki rather than nominating the file for deletion here on Commons? - Jmabel ! talk 03:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC) There are Commons admins who will block accounts for a suspicion of non-damaging multiple accounts, bulk delete all their uploads (even the good stuff) and then squat on the user page to remove any unblock requests afterwards. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC) Blocking accounts on sus, not evidence, should be firmly condemned. Someone with sysop rights who persistently abuses them this way should be desysoped, they are being a "bad cop". -- (talk) 11:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC) Well, obviously. And just as obviously, Welcome to Wikipedia! There is no sanction on admins, you know this. User talk:SandyShores03 / Deleted content (No DR filed, they were just deleted) User talk:HefePine23 / Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by HefePine23 I raised this at User talk:Elcobbola#Titanic amount of deletions re: SandyShores03 and they didn't edit for a week, conveniently giving the DR long enough to run that it might be closable. Of course I didn't receive a reply anywhere. Their response to a Request for Unblock was to revert, reverted and the page locked. @Elcobbola:, as is usually expected. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC) An illustrative example is the person that happily uploaded photographs in Hong Kong. To protect their anonymity they used a different account every time they did some uploads, literally hundreds of accounts. Considering later political events in Hong Kong, the use of sock accounts in this way is completely legitimate and their anonymity should be respected, not circumvented because someone is arbitrarily obsessed with outing sock accounts when there is no evidence of abuse. -- (talk) 11:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC) @Donald Trung: and @Andy Dingley:, thanks for the info. @:, I agree with this. @Jmabel:, I have no idea. Here is the link to the question. Maybe the user didn't know about where to ask on commons. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC) I can't imagine that we will find ourselves deleting a properly licensed geometric image because someone considers it sacred, or because it resembles something someone considers sacred. Neither one is a particularly unusual geometric image. - Jmabel ! talk 15:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC) @Jmabel:, I agree but I understand the user's perspective. I know a sect near me who use similar curvy triangular figures and call it the Eternal Place. Pretty wierd, but they do so. So, if the user has any issue, I think it is better to get the images deleted rather than getting them into trouble. Lightbluerain (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC) Also, what am I supposed to do now? Should I ping the user here? Tag their images with appropriate template? Or, talk to them on their English Wikipedia talk page? The question on the help desk got archived now. Lightbluerain (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Getting more 360-degree photospheres on Commonsedit

I noticed recently that Category:360° panoramic photographs has only a few hundred entries. Compared to roughly 170,000 videos and 72 million total files, that's basically nothing. Trying to be forward-thinking, I think there's a very plausible case that VR photography is going to be very important in the future once we're all walking around with VR headsets, and that not having a VR photo of a place will be as noticeable as not having a color photo is to us today. It'd be nice to stay ahead of the curve, and while some of that involves support we need from the WMF, I'm sure there are things we could be doing ourselves. Does anyone have ideas about how we can encourage more of these to be uploaded? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Right now we don't even have support for non-photosphere panoramas. {{Pano360}} used to have support for files like File:Charles W Morgan and Thames River 360 panorama from City Pier, New London.jpg that are 360 degrees horizontally but not a full photosphere, but that functionality no longer works. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Many of the 360° photo's don't have the template {{Pano360}} and/or it does not work properly. What I like of using 360° photography is the possibility of creating virtual tours in for example museums where you can go from one room to another and zoom in on paintings. Wouter (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC) When the day comes that we're all walking around with VR headsets on, people will probably be too focused on navigating their jetpacks between all the flying cars to bother with 360° photographs available on Commons. Besides which 360° photographs are not stereoscopic. Having said that, as someone with a penchant for panoramas I'd love to see 360° scrolling made available (360° x 180° photospheres, not so much). nagualdesign 01:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC) If anyone's interested, I use a Canon 50mm f/1.4 lens on an APS-C (1.6 crop factor) camera, which yields about 200 pixels per degree, so a full 360° photograph is around 72,000 px wide. The more pressing problem is simply being able to download such enormous files, hence I don't even bother making them let alone uploading them to Commons. The common or garden variety 360° photograph is stitched from just 2 fisheye images and doesn't have a particularly good resolution when viewing a small section at a time, so it's a bit of a toy/gimmick. Even Google Street View uses multiple times that resolution but, like Google Maps, the browser only has to download a few sections at a time and stitches them on-the-fly. It will be some years before the technology is commonplace (or 'Commons-place') since there isn't much demand. nagualdesign 02:13, 4 May 2021 (UTC) @Nagualdesign: Street View in an outdoor sculpture garden could be cool.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 02:35, 4 May 2021 (UTC) Definitely. Check out Google Arts & Culture for some interesting views. Unfortunately, it will be quite a while before Commons can rival Google. Staying ahead of the curve, as the OP suggested, is something of a pipe dream. nagualdesign 02:48, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

OT: Why does the wikidata contest use a person with VR googles as logo, WM does not support it? I have provided a number of stereoscopic images, but WM has no native way to display these in VR - and I do think like user:Sdkb that VR (or AR more likely) will be a thing for WM and it is a good idea to stay ahead (only with stereoscopic content. Creating 360 degree images while respecting personality rights is difficult). --C.Suthorn (talk) 09:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

May 04edit w encyklopedii

LOUD TEMPLATES (red, bold, big, warning symbols)edit

warning symbols unimportant ~ red
important ~ yellow

The amount of attention a template draws to itself, should correspond to its importance.

  • The templates deserving the most attention are probably {{Delete}} and {{Speedy}}, and they are styled with the appropriate loudness.
  • Less important ones are styled more modestly, e.g. {{Disputed}} (a first step towards deletion) uses a warning symbol and a red border.
  • {{LargeImage}} warns that the user's browser could freeze, and thus uses a bit of red.
  • {{Uncategorized}} and {{Check categories}} are important maintenance templates, and their style is rather modest.

This is how important templates look like. So less important templates should use styles, that draw less attention.

But some templates are styled as warnings, although they just contain hints that might be interesting to some users:

My main suggestion is, that the use of red in templates should be restricted to cases, that require the immediate attention of the user. Greetings, Watchduck (quack) 00:51, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this proposal. There is no need to draw attention to something that is not that much of an deal.--Snævar (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC) What about {{Tracks are for trains}} – is it appropriate, IYO? — Draceane talkcontrib. 12:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC) It's a general piece of wisdom, that requires no action by the uploader, and does not affect, how the image can be used. It is less important than {{Personality rights}}, and should be smaller. In my opinion it should be one expandable line. --Watchduck (quack) 19:49, 4 May 2021 (UTC) Is there no style guide, that is to say guidelines explaining current norms but not enforced as policy? Maybe there should be. -- (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Read only time on 05-May-2021 at 06:00 AM UTCedit


Some services will be in read-only for a short time on 2021-05-05 at 06:00 AM UTC.

During the restart time (expected to be around 60 seconds or so) all the components and extensions that use the x1 database will be read-only.

Things that might experience some issues when creating new writes:

  • New short urls cannot be created
  • Email bounces from lists might not get recorded
  • There might be issues with new translations
  • New items on the notification list might fail, some notifications may not be delivered
  • Reading lists might not record new items added to "bookmark" or "read it later" feature

Details: T281212 & T281375

A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this read-only time.

-- Kaartic talk 18:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

May 05edit w encyklopedii

Category:Tones and Iedit

I've asked for help at Commons talk:Categories#Category:Tones and I on 30 April 2021 but have received no reply. At the Category:Tones and I page there is an infobox, it contains contentious information, specifically: year of birth, date of birth and middle name. This information is not supported by reliable sources and may violate WP:BLPPRIVACY. How can this be removed from that infobox? According to policy it should be removed immediately.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Horse bits from Louvre on Wikidataedit

Hi, can anyone help with this and this category? After a rename I put AO 16313 on Wikidata, but it still conflicts with AO 16613. I don't do a lot things like this on Commons and Wikidata, last time was easy, now it's not correct. Links to files: File:Bit-AO 16313-IMG 0900-white.jpg and File:Bit-AO 16613-IMG 0900-black.jpg. Wikidata: Q106710047 and Q29053872 - Regards, - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 11:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I resolved it, the right information is being showed now. - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a mp4 video...edit

Hi Can someone ipuload this for me: Robert Henke & Christopher Bauder / Atom (from Flickr). It is cc-by-sa. Thank you --– El Mono 🐒 (talk - 13:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

  • @El Mono Español: Is there a reason you want someone else do do this rather than do it yourself? - Jmabel ! talk 15:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi! Yes, because it tells me that I can't upload it, and I don't understand why – El Mono 🐒 (talk - 15:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC) El Mono, Go to Commons:Video2commons or failing that convert it to WEBM online. For reasons I don't know or care to know MP4 files aren't accepted here. Cheers, –Davey2010Talk 19:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

May 06edit w encyklopedii

SVG validation / derasterization etc.edit

I was just fixing various high-use SVG files and had just cleaned up File:Wikisource-logo-as-3.svg when I discovered that it was protected. If an administrator can briefly unprotect it or reduce the protection level, please do let me know. Shyamal L. (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Shyamal: If an Admin does not notice this timely, please consider reposting on COM:AN.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 05:03, 6 May 2021 (UTC) Copying to AN now. Shyamal L. (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Descriptions in Middle Englishedit

I’m an editor in Middle English Wikipedia and I should like to add descriptions to images in Middle English. I have found the image File:APictureOfAnIsraeliFloor.jpg and I have translated the description to Hebrew but when I translate it to Middle English it says that enm is an unrecognized value. Can you help? Btw, the translation to Middle English is An Israeli flore. Thanks in advance. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Btw, for convenience, can you please ping me in your reply.😅 Thanks in advance, -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC) @Gifnk dlm 2020: you can create Template:enm analogous to Template:en. - Jmabel ! talk 18:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC) @Jmabel: thank you very much! Can you please check that I have done it properly because to be honest I don’t understand what the stuff I have written means or how it knows that enm is Middle English. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC) @Gifnk dlm 2020: It knows because it knows the language codes, and pulls from its own title. No need for {{Heavily used template}} on this one. I removed that; we can restore it if you really get around to doing a few thousand ME descriptions of images. Should be fine. - Jmabel ! talk 19:01, 6 May 2021 (UTC) @Jmabel: thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 19:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I tried to enter this description but it still gives the same error. Also when I try to search for languages it doesn’t show Middle English in the list. -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gifnk dlm 2020: Not sure what tool you are using that won't let you enter this, but it should be perfectly possible to hand-edit the file page and add this content. - Jmabel ! talk 14:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC) @Jmabel: I tried what you suggested and I can edit the summary but not the captions. Is that because Middle English Wikipedia is still in the incubator and doesn’t have its own subdomain yet? -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 14:47, 7 May 2021 (UTC) @Gifnk dlm 2020: By captions, to you mean the structured data (in wikibase, not in wikitext)? For that, you'd have to talk to the strucutured data team about them recognizing an additional language. One more reason I don't love structured data. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC) @Jmabel: I see. I think I will do only wikitext. Thank you very much! -Gifnk dlm 2020 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Problem with the rendering of a SVGedit

Where are the F♯ keys?


I know the SVG rendering has some troubles and I can handle them usually but there is one for which I can't find a workaround: in the picture File:Reconnaitre quintes justes.svg, two black keys are missing in the PNG conversion.

Any guess?

Cdang (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The problem was solved by @Chatsam: thanx to her. In "cloned a clone". Cdang (talk) 06:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Flickr2Commons down?edit

Today I just get a seemingly infinite "Loading..." - Jmabel ! talk 18:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I have the same issue. Zoozaz1 (talk) 22:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

May 07edit w encyklopedii


How do I empty the UploadStash, when the UploadStash is so big, that I cannot open Special:UploadStash (timeout)? The deletion is started by a POST-Form, that is only available from Special:UploadStash. --C.Suthorn (talk) 10:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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